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The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #373
- Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V4 #373
- Date: Sunday, November 23, 1997 3:21 AM
>
>The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
> Sunday, November 23 1997 Volume 04 : Number 373
>
>
>
>In this issue:
>
> Re: Billups as a 2 Guard?
> Re: Billups as a 2 Guard?
> Re: Billups as a 2 Guard?
> Re: On Hoops trade rumours (off base, but worth a think)
> Fairweather Fans and Back to .500
> Mashburn
> Chauncy Billups
> Re: Billups as a 2 Guard?
> Antoine Walker videos
> Re: Chauncy Billups
> Re: Chauncy Billups
> RE: Jamal Mashburn trade
> RE: On Hoops trade rumours (off base, but worth a think)
> RE: Billups as a 2 Guard?
> RE: Chauncy Billups
> RE: Billups as a 2 Guard?
> RE: On Hoops trade rumours (off base, but worth a think)
> RIVALRY
> Re: RIVALRY
> Billups
> Re: Billups
> All time Celtic PS team
> Re: All time Celtic PS team
> Celts look good!
> Idea
> Larry vs. Antoine
> Re: Larry vs. Antoine
> Trade Idea
> Brevin Knight
> Numbers
> Re: Larry vs. Antoine
> Mashburn or PJ Brown are on the market and other views
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> Re: All time Celtic PS team
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>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:31:33 -0500
>From: Dorine Pratt <norine@sover.net>
>Subject: Re: Billups as a 2 Guard?
>
>Yes, I think he has talent and he's smart, he's learning, can see
improvement
>and he'll only get better. The Celts are doing better, progressing faster
>than almost anyone predicted. As far as I'm concerned, since Pitino chose
this
>route, with all young players, we have to give them time to develop. I was
a
>doubter, but they are fun to watch, and who can say that about some teams,
>regardless of their records? The Bulls, by the way, have lost 5 games (I
>think) already?
>Dorine
>
>Cecil Wright wrote:
>
>> My point is there are other ways to help a team to victory without
>> focusing purely on statistics.
>
>> Billups does have some strengths that I have noticed. We definitely are
>> not averse to discussing his weaknesses on this list, but I want to know
if
>> I am the only person who has seen any of his decent skills?
>>
>> Does Billups have any talent?
>>
>> Cecil
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:48:26 -0700
>From: Warwick Janetzki <giants@icplus.net.au>
>Subject: Re: Billups as a 2 Guard?
>
>> Billups does have some strengths that I have noticed. We definitely are
>> not averse to discussing his weaknesses on this list, but I want to know
if
>> I am the only person who has seen any of his decent skills?
>>
>His physical attributes are what helps him. He has great skill in taking
>it strong inside to the basket, which he realises and uses the best of
>his ability to do it. I love the CUP and I think he will be a force in a
>couple of years.
>
>> Does Billups have any talent?
>>
>Definitely. If he never had any, I doubt Pitino would draft him. He just
>needs time to get into the NBA lifestyle, I think he will and he has
>definitely shown flashes of brilliance. He will be an All-Star within 4
>years, and will be the 3rd all-star, Walker and Mercer being the other
>ones.
>
>Warwick
>
>> Cecil
>
>- --
>MZ
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:06:21 -0800
>From: "smishra" <smishra@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: Billups as a 2 Guard?
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Cecil Wright <nocw1@nsh.library.ns.ca>
>
>>Billups may not be a resounding success at the moment as a pg but it
>>would only be conjecture for anyone to say he won't be more than adequate
>>2 yrs from now. Who does he have to learn by example from? Brown?
>>Barros? Only Edney has the instincts of a pg on this squad.
>
>Don't knock Dee & Dana, at the moment they are playing fantastic ball, both
>are put into the game at crucial time and they are contributing.
Yesterday's
>rally was triggered by them hitting back to back three's when others
>couldn't hit anything.
>
>>Concerning Stoudamire, he did have the opportunity to work with one of
>>the best pure pg of all-time in Isiah, which is probably a little bit
>>better guidance at the position than what Billups is receiving, with all
>>due respect to RP. Nobody wants to win more than me, but I know Rome
>>wasn't built in a day.
>
>I don't think that matters stoudamire was a good PG right from the get go,
>now look at Brevin Knight who does he have for guidance? but he outplayed
>Marbury yesterday.
>
>>Billups does have some strengths that I have noticed. We definitely are
>>not averse to discussing his weaknesses on this list, but I want to know
if
>>I am the only person who has seen any of his decent skills?
>
>Sure he has skills, he is physical, can take the ball to the hoop but he
>also has fundamental weaknesses in his game. Observe the way he brings the
>ball up..and distributes it
>a) he walks it up..consuming valuable time..got to be driving every body
>nuts
>b) he doesn't protect the ball
>c) he doesn't recognize when the passing lanes are blocked and ends up
>making a bone-head pass like
>
>>Does Billups have any talent?
>
>I think he has, but boy is he struggling, he almost lost the game before
>Pitino yanked him out in the fourth quarter. I am glad RP signed Edney.
> -
>Mishra
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:11:01 -0800
>From: "smishra" <smishra@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: On Hoops trade rumours (off base, but worth a think)
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Gregory Hurst <gh18@juno.com>
>
>
>
>>I like this deal but it won't happen, sacxramento can get better players
>for Mitch.
>>
>>gh18@juno.com
>>
>>
>>>Phoenix gets- Richmond & DeClercq
>>>Sacramento gets- Billups, Thomas, Chapman
>>>C's get- Cedric Cebalos and Steve Nash
>>>
>>>SALARY CAP:
>>>Phoenix surrenders $4.025mil and receives $4.2 in salary;
>>>Sacramento surrenders $3mil and receives $3.365 in salary; and
>>>Boston surrenders $4.24 and receives $3.7 in salary.
>>>
>>>Warwick
>>>--
>>>MZ
>>>
>>
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:20:37 -0500
>From: "dan.p" <dan.p@MCI2000.com>
>Subject: Fairweather Fans and Back to .500
>
>>>Not following the NBA closely last year because of the Celts poor attempt
>>>at playing basketball, this year watching all Celt and some selected
>
>>The Celtics did suck last year, but I still followed them closely as well
>as >the NBA. The statement you made sounded just a little to much like a
>>fairweather fan and I really can't abide by those.
>
>>Suggestion: Stick with your team through thick and thin.
>
>Get off your pedistal. Losing interest in a team that's tanking its season
>and that only winds up winning 15 games does not make one a fair-weather
>fan.
>
>That said, the Celtics beat the New Jersey Nets last night, a great win
>coming off their bitter loss to the same team Wednesday night. I went to
>the game and wanted to share some stuff that didn't make the TV coverage.
>
>The marketers have gone into full swing and brought in many of the same
>condescending distractions that other teams have employed for a while now.
>During time-outs, guys dressed in green use a big slingshot to launch items
>into the crowd. It's very depressing to see fans go bezerk when the
>slingshot is pointed in their direction. Have some pride, people. (Let me
>save someone the trouble: Yeah, maybe I should get off my pedistal too.)
>
>They had a "noise meter" flashing on the jumbo-tron which might have been
>interesting if it actually reflected the decibel level in the building, but
>it just goes up and up regardless of how loud the crowd is. The top
>ranking on the thing is "Garden level". We never quite made it to Garden
>level, from which I can only infer that the FleetCenter is inferior to the
>Garden.
>
>The halftime show was actually pretty interesting. It was a guy called
>"Stickman" (he had a real name too, but I forgot it) and he would get a
>ball spinning on his finger, transfer it to a little stick the size of a
>pencil, then to a huge stick that must have been 25 or 30 feet long. He
>would then pick up the huge stick with the ball still spinning on the end.
>He stood out by the three point line and slowly lowered the stick until the
>ball was right in front of the basket and then he tipped it in. Then he
>did the same thing all over but this time he stood under the basket and
>with the stick pointed straight up he just pulled it away and the ball fell
>25+ feet and shot right through the hoop. The crowd erupted. It was
>pretty clever. He spent part of the second half of the game wandering
>around the stands and people yelled out, "Stickman!" whenever he went by.
>
>I taped the game and watched the broadcast, and some people may have
>noticed Tommy mention Gatling and Cassell getting into a little arguement.
>The cameras missed all of the action so I just wanted to mention he wasn't
>going senile. There was some mis-communication and the Nets got a
>24-second violation. Cassell and Gatling stared jawing at each other and
>it looked like it was turning nasty. Cassell marched right up to Gatling
>glaring at him and bumped right into his chest, but it seemed to difuse
>after that. I sat there wondering what people would do if two teammates
>started getting into a fight.
>
>Looking forward to the game summaries...
>
>Dan
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:48:26 -0500 (EST)
>From: Georgek27@aol.com
>Subject: Mashburn
>
>You guys can speculate about Mashburn all you want but I can't picture
Riley
>contributing to the resurrection of the Boston Celtics!
>
>George
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:49:33 -0500
>From: "dan.p" <dan.p@MCI2000.com>
>Subject: Chauncy Billups
>
>> And, with about 5 minutes to go in the game, Rick took Edney
>>(who had been doing a solid job) out of the game in favor of Billups,
>>who had not played well. Billups responded with a series of poor
>>shots, fouls and turnovers, that came close to letting the Nets back
>>into the game (he also got tangled up with Cassell, and they both got
>>called for a double foul, which got Cassell out of the game: but I
>>doubt it was intentional). Finally Pitino had to get Billups back out
>>of their and put Edney back in.
>
>I noticed this too. The Celtics are almost doing too well. They are close
>or ahead of other teams at the end of games and you want to see the players
>that are getting the job done out on the floor. I'd have to say Edney is
>beating out Billups in this regard. At least in a twenty point blowout you
>can leave Billups out there and not feel like your costing the team the
>game. It bothered me that the team's best stretches of play in last
>night's game came when Billups was on the bench.
>
>On a more positive note, I think Chauncy has some great skills, and I
>optimistically hope he will follow the path Gary Payton took. I don't
>think he'll ever be a classic point guard, but that's not necessarily a bad
>thing. His ballhandling skills are starting to shine (the first couple of
>games he didn't look like he could run and dribble at the same time -
>everything was half-speed) and he has good range although his shot
>selection could use some work. He protects the ball well. He stills seems
>to be feeling out his role which might be why he looks so lost out there
>sometimes.
>
>Dan
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:32:15 -0900 (AST)
>From: Cecil Wright <nocw1@nsh.library.ns.ca>
>Subject: Re: Billups as a 2 Guard?
>
>I'm not knocking Dana or Dee. I'm saying that neither one of them plays
>with the mentality of a point guard, therefore, it would be difficult for
>Billups to draw the skills necessary to play the position effectively from
>either of them. No more, no less.
>
>Sorry if I gave a different impression.
>
>Cecil
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:55:26 -0400
>From: pcarlos@hotmail.com (Carlos Perez G.)
>Subject: Antoine Walker videos
>
>The Antoine Walker homepage was updated this morning, with new videos and
>sounds.
>
>You can visit it now at:
>
>http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3812/walker.html
>
>P.S. The new photos are coming in one week .. I think.
>
> Carlos Perez
> Antoine Walker unofficial page
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:47:14 -0500 (EST)
>From: Ed Ag <afn15554@afn.org>
>Subject: Re: Chauncy Billups
>
>I don't
>> think he'll ever be a classic point guard, but that's not necessarily a
bad
>> thing.
>
>Dennis Johnson was not a classic point guard. His number is in the
rafters.
>Go Chauncy! Ed
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:36:50 -0900 (AST)
>From: Cecil Wright <nocw1@nsh.library.ns.ca>
>Subject: Re: Chauncy Billups
>
>I think everyone notices the same thing but what do you expect from him
>as a rookie? I understand that he has weaknesses especially in the
>decision-making aspect of the game, but so does every point guard. I
>also was surprised to see Billups return at such a key stage of the game,
>and I am one of his supporters.
>
>Perhaps Pitino wants him to get a taste of what it's truly like to feel
>crunch-time pressure. If so, I hope the message was received that RP
>intended. It could be his FT shooting that RP decided would be an
>advantage. But he certainly will be better off from experiencing these
>crucial minutes.
>
>Cecil
>On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, dan.p wrote:
>
>> > And, with about 5 minutes to go in the game, Rick took Edney
>> >(who had been doing a solid job) out of the game in favor of Billups,
>> >who had not played well. Billups responded with a series of poor
>> >shots, fouls and turnovers, that came close to letting the Nets back
>> >into the game (he also got tangled up with Cassell, and they both got
>> >called for a double foul, which got Cassell out of the game: but I
>> >doubt it was intentional). Finally Pitino had to get Billups back out
>> >of their and put Edney back in.
>>
>> I noticed this too. The Celtics are almost doing too well. They are
close
>> or ahead of other teams at the end of games and you want to see the
players
>> that are getting the job done out on the floor. I'd have to say Edney is
>> beating out Billups in this regard. At least in a twenty point blowout
you
>> can leave Billups out there and not feel like your costing the team the
>> game. It bothered me that the team's best stretches of play in last
>> night's game came when Billups was on the bench.
>>
>> On a more positive note, I think Chauncy has some great skills, and I
>> optimistically hope he will follow the path Gary Payton took. I don't
>> think he'll ever be a classic point guard, but that's not necessarily a
bad
>> thing. His ballhandling skills are starting to shine (the first couple
of
>> games he didn't look like he could run and dribble at the same time -
>> everything was half-speed) and he has good range although his shot
>> selection could use some work. He protects the ball well. He stills
seems
>> to be feeling out his role which might be why he looks so lost out there
>> sometimes.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:45:01 -0800
>From: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: RE: Jamal Mashburn trade
>
>I agree. IMO Mashburn's career a been somewhat of a disappointment due =
>to the injuries. Dallas finally had to let him go as he was not =
>producing as he should have. I have not been overly impressed by his =
>play in Miami either. The Celtics need a real point & a big man, maybe =
>the improved play of Ellison, Minor, Brown and Barros will make them =
>more marketable. I would love to get Jayson Williams just to take some =
>of the load off Antoine inside. Vitaly Potapenko could help inside =
>also. Who knows what Rogers will do if he ever plays.
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Warwick Janetzki [SMTP:giants@icplus.net.au]
>Sent: Saturday, November 22, 1997 3:00 PM
>To: Jim McMaster
>Cc: celtics@igtc.COM
>Subject: Re: Jamal Mashburn trade
>
>Jim McMaster wrote:
>>=20
>> In message <3476236E.116A@icplus.net.au>, Warwick Janetzki said:
>> > Ever since Up Close, I've been trying to figure out a good deal to =
>get
>> > Jamal.
>> >
>> > This is what I've worked out they need
>> >
>> > Barros- provides good outside shooting and they need it off the =
>bench.
>> > Jones- young, athletic, could work well under Riley
>> > DeClercq- they need another banger off of the bench, as Causwell =
>ain't
>> > gonna play and Mills ain't a banger.
>> > 2 2nd rounders- likely to be cut, but who needs 2nd rounders these =
>days?
>> >
>> > for
>> >
>> > Jamal Mashburn
>> >
>> Riley may be a jerk, but he is not stupid. Why would he trade a =
>really good
>> player for three slugs? When will people get it through their heads =
>that no
>> team is going to give anything of value for the Celtics' trash?
>
>I think DeClercq and Barros proved tonight that they aren't trash, as
>for Mash, whats gonna happen when Zo comes back, hello Mr Struggle.
>
>Warwick
>- --=20
>MZ?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:14:25 -0800
>From: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: RE: On Hoops trade rumours (off base, but worth a think)
>
>Anyone think with Williams being a free agent at year end (Is that =
>correct ?) that we could move Declercq and Thomas for Williams ? =
>Although hearing about the Calipari-Pitino rivalry I don't know if =
>Calipari would trade him to Boston.
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Cecil Wright [SMTP:nocw1@nsh.library.ns.ca]
>Sent: Saturday, November 22, 1997 12:21 PM
>To: Warwick Janetzki
>Cc: celtics@igtc.COM
>Subject: Re: On Hoops trade rumours (off base, but worth a think)
>
>I don't care for it either. Though Cedric can shoot, I can't see the =
>C's=20
>benefitting by getting smaller in the frontcourt. =20
>
>The Nets killed us on the boards in the 2 games and though Pervis had 5=20
>blocks, I think he only had 4 rebounds. We need a rebounding fool who=20
>doesn't wrestle or dye his hair a different color every week.
>
>On another note, even when we were leading by 9 pts last night, with=20
>under 6 minutes remaining, we were pushing the ball upcourt. That's a=20
>great sign, but when there are no rebounders underneath against a strong =
>
>rebounding team like Jersey, would it not be smarter to bring the ball=20
>back out and set up the halfcourt offense? I like the effort the team =
>is=20
>exerting, but the need to be more intelligent in the late stages I =
>think.
>
>Cecil
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:03:07 -0800
>From: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: RE: Billups as a 2 Guard?
>
>Billups definitely has the athleticism but I have not been impressed in =
>his shooting or floor leadership skills you would expect for a # 3 pick. =
>As others have stated look at what Marbury and Iverson did their first =
>years. They did not excel in all facets but appeared to be much more =
>ready for this level than Chauncy. But as someone else stated Magic did =
>not have an out side shot for the first couple years but through hard =
>work got pretty good form the outside.
>
>I think for a #3 most expect to see at least a few real big games where =
>he takes over on an A.W. off night. We all are real anxious to see this =
>team got from what 15-67 to 67-15 but it won't happen overnight. =
>Pitino's 5 year plan seems pretty feasible.
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Cecil Wright [SMTP:nocw1@nsh.library.ns.ca]
>Sent: Saturday, November 22, 1997 12:06 PM
>To: John Lyell
>Cc: michael t hart; 'Celtics'
>Subject: RE: Billups as a 2 Guard?
>
>My point is there are other ways to help a team to victory without=20
>focusing purely on statistics.
>
>Billups may not be a resounding success at the moment as a pg but it=20
>would only be conjecture for anyone to say he won't be more than =
>adequate=20
>2 yrs from now. Who does he have to learn by example from? Brown?=20
>Barros? Only Edney has the instincts of a pg on this squad.
>
>Concerning Stoudamire, he did have the opportunity to work with one of=20
>the best pure pg of all-time in Isiah, which is probably a little bit=20
>better guidance at the position than what Billups is receiving, with all =
>
>due respect to RP. Nobody wants to win more than me, but I know Rome=20
>wasn't built in a day.
>
>Billups does have some strengths that I have noticed. We definitely are =
>
>not averse to discussing his weaknesses on this list, but I want to know =
>if=20
>I am the only person who has seen any of his decent skills?=20
>
>Does Billups have any talent?
>
>Cecil
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:39:40 -0800
>From: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: RE: Chauncy Billups
>
>Dennis was a pretty good shooter and a great defender which helps a lot.
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Ed Ag [SMTP:afn15554@afn.org]
>Sent: Saturday, November 22, 1997 9:47 AM
>To: Ed Agranowitz
>Cc: Celtics Newsgroup
>Subject: Re: Chauncy Billups
>
>I don't
>> think he'll ever be a classic point guard, but that's not necessarily a
bad
>> thing.
>
>Dennis Johnson was not a classic point guard. His number is in the
rafters.
>Go Chauncy! Ed
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:19:32 -0900 (AST)
>From: Cecil Wright <nocw1@nsh.library.ns.ca>
>Subject: RE: Billups as a 2 Guard?
>
>But the problem here is that you are making your assessment based off 12
>games, not his first season.
>
>He had a 22 pt effort already in this young season which may have spoiled
>us somewhat. What I don't understand is why some of us don't want to
>give this guy any groom time at all? Using Iverson and Marbury as
>measuring tools is alright with me, so long as when Billups plays well,
>as he did in almost completely shutting Iverson down, he gets credit for
it.
>
>Let's measure the success of the team, not just the individual. If that
>were the case, McCarty's shot selection has been atrocious lately, so do
>you want to give up on him too?
>
>Cecil
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:26:02 -0900 (AST)
>From: Cecil Wright <nocw1@nsh.library.ns.ca>
>Subject: RE: On Hoops trade rumours (off base, but worth a think)
>
>I think Jayson Williams is just what the doctor ordered for us, but I
>don't think that Calipari will ever trade anyone, other than a stiff, if
>he could sucker us into it, to Boston.
>
>No question though that he is the rebounding fool, who doesn't change his
>hair color every week, who doesn't wrestle, that would suit us to
>perfection. I've heard that his attitude is suspect, but with his skills
>and RP's leadership, I'm sure it could work.
>
>Cecil
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:39:23 -0500
>From: Dorine Pratt <norine@sover.net>
>Subject: RIVALRY
>
>Rick Pitino said the rivalry between he and Calipari is a figment of the
>press's imagination, that the game is the players, not the coaches. The
>two are the best of friends, so why is this rivalry becoming an issue?
>They just happened to play back to back games against each other, that
>doesn't make a rivalry. I'm certain, as friends, it makes for some
>joking between the two of them when they get together, but New Jersey
>has hardly been a big rival of the Celtics, no matter what team has been
>playing. The two big rivals over the years have been Philly and Lakers.
>
>I guess seeing a rivalry based on the fact that they're both former
>college coaches and friends to boot gives the press something to write
>about. Let's not take it too seriously and add credence to their
>daydreaming.
>Dorine
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:00:13 -0900 (AST)
>From: Cecil Wright <nocw1@nsh.library.ns.ca>
>Subject: Re: RIVALRY
>
>We also had quite a rivalry with the Knicks back in the days when they
>had Frazier, DeBusschere, Bradley, Monroe, Willis Reed, Dick Barnett and
>the unforgettable Philip Jackson.
>
>Cecil
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:40:33 -0500
>From: "Mike Allen" <mallen@worldchat.com>
>Subject: Billups
>
>Since it's been a while since my last defend-Chauncey post, here goes. I
>am really getting tired of people calling this kid a bust and saying that
>he's taking too much time, we've only played 12 games!!!!!! How can that
>be too much time???!!!!!! Let the kid get use to the press and to the NBA,
>I've watched him since he was a freshmen at Colorado, IMO, he possesses the
>ability to be one of the top 3 point guards in the league and one of the
>best that Beantown's ever laid claim to. He has the best cross over in the
>game today (except for Tim Hardaway, but that's a given), his shooting will
>improve, he suffered the same thing in college, but will eventually get it.
> Just give him time before you ship him off to Sacramento, which I think
>would be one stupid and two, a huge mistake.
>
> This is for all those who want to compare him to Iverson and Marbury,
>here's a reminder, they didn't have to play "Pitino ball" last year, if you
>let Chaunce play the open style where he can do what he wants liek Iverson
>and Marbury did last year then I know that he would be lighting it up.
>
>Mike
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:52:53 -0800 (PST)
>From: Roy Enrile <renrile@qualcomm.com>
>Subject: Re: Billups
>
>On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Mike Allen wrote:
>
>> Let the kid get use to the press and to the NBA,
>> I've watched him since he was a freshmen at Colorado, IMO, he possesses
the
>> ability to be one of the top 3 point guards in the league and one of the
>> best that Beantown's ever laid claim to. He has the best cross over in
the
>> game today (except for Tim Hardaway, but that's a given)
>
>> This is for all those who want to compare him to Iverson and Marbury,
>> here's a reminder, they didn't have to play "Pitino ball" last year
>>
>
>First a negative comment, Billups usually misses people on
>2 on 1 fast breaks. Even high school point guards know not to
>take the shot yourself Every single time there's a 2 on 1 or
>3 on 1 break. That fault in his game has nothing to do w/ a
>complicated offense.
>
>But his big improvement since preaseason, that I haven't seen
>mentioned yet is his defensive speed. From watching him in college,
>I thought the thing he could bring to the C's right away was a
>defensive force at pt guard. The guy gets low, and seems blazing
>fast going laterally(practicing against Tyus probably helps).
>Add that to quick hands and above average strength, you have the
>tools to be a serious defender given time.
>
>Also seems like a smooth and natural ballhandler. Doesn't get ripped,
>but does throw away a few passes.
>
>Finally, does anyone think that the 1st or 2nd play of the 2nd half
>is scripted to be a Billups 3 pt attempt every game?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:54:57 +1000
>From: jumpshot@iniaccess.net.au (Karen J Davies)
>Subject: All time Celtic PS team
>
>OK, I have put together a team of all time Celtic players to through up
>agianst my mates all time Lakers in a Playstation 7 game playoff series.
>I'd like to see what you guys think. It is a 12 man squad with one player
>needing to be current
>
>PG Cousy DJ
>SG Havlicek Jones Ainge
>SF Bird Walker
>PF McHale Cowens
>C Russell Parish Walton
>
>COmments? This time, a bottle of scotch is on the line....
>
>JD
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 18:14:26 -0600
>From: sfarrell@dixie-net.com
>Subject: Re: All time Celtic PS team
>
>Karen J Davies wrote:
>>
>> OK, I have put together a team of all time Celtic players to through up
>> agianst my mates all time Lakers in a Playstation 7 game playoff series.
>> I'd like to see what you guys think. It is a 12 man squad with one
player
>> needing to be current
>>
>> PG Cousy DJ
>> SG Havlicek Jones Ainge
>> SF Bird Walker
>> PF McHale Cowens
>> C Russell Parish Walton
>>
>> COmments? This time, a bottle of scotch is on the line....
>>
>> JD
>I would think that Sam Jones, Reggie Lewis, and Tommy Heinsohn would
>have to fit in somewhere. Looks like a solid team, eh?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:20:14 -0600 (CST)
>From: Dave Hughes <dhughes@unlinfo.unl.edu>
>Subject: Celts look good!
>
>I had a chance to watch over half of the game Friday night versus the Nets,
>and I came away very impressed with their tight half court defense. I also
>was very surprised (and happy) that Pitino didn't have them full court
press
>the whole game, like he did everywhere else that he has been. He seemed to
>have them to full court only once in awhile in the last half of the game,
>and it seemed to work well. Also, something that has been discussed a lot
>recently is that if you shoot well, you will do well. Even if you play
>great defense, you still got to put the ball in the hoop more than the
other
>team!
>
>Dave Hughes
>Nebraska (where spring can and does happen in November and March) Public
Radio
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:35:21 -0800
>From: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: Idea
>
>With Sura and Potapenko not receiving much playing time behind Anderson &
Ilgauskas, what does everyone think of the following move:
>
>
>To Cleveland: Billups, Minor, Declercq, Thomas
>
>
>To Boston: Knight, Sura, Potapenko
>
>
>Billups & Knight stat comparisons:
>
> Gm Pts Asts Stls FG%
>
>Billups 12 9.8 50 21 37%
>Knight 11 8.6 85 34 40%
>
>
>Potapenko avg. 6 rebounds in 18 minutes a game.
>
>
>See http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/basketball/nba/stats.htm for some great
team stat. info.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:33:19 -0500
>From: Vinny Natale <vnatale@map.com>
>Subject: Larry vs. Antoine
>
>I was just thinking that it is not so ridiculous to be comparing Antoine
>with Larry. Antoine would currently be a senior in college, correct?
>
>Larry Bird played the full four years plus had taken a year off from
>school. So it will not be until two more years that Antoine is at the same
>age that Larry Bird was for his rookie year. I do not think it at all far
>fetched to imagine him being a better player at that point than Larry was
>his rookie year!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Vinny
>
>vnatale@map.com
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:09:33 -0600
>From: sfarrell@dixie-net.com
>Subject: Re: Larry vs. Antoine
>
>Vinny Natale wrote:
>>
>> I was just thinking that it is not so ridiculous to be comparing Antoine
>> with Larry. Antoine would currently be a senior in college, correct?
>>
>> Larry Bird played the full four years plus had taken a year off from
>> school. So it will not be until two more years that Antoine is at the
same
>> age that Larry Bird was for his rookie year. I do not think it at all
far
>> fetched to imagine him being a better player at that point than Larry was
>> his rookie year!
>>
>> Vinny
>>
>> vnatale@map.com
>Bird got rookie of the year, 3 MVP's, many all-star appearances, 2 3 pt.
>shootouts, and 3 rings......
>
>When Antoine entered the draft is irrelevant to the argument (it was his
>choice to enter early).......Bird was better as a rookie......We'll have
>to wait and see how many rings 'Toine brings to Boston to see who's
>better.......
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:45:31 -0800
>From: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: Trade Idea
>
>With Sura and Potapenko not receiving much playing time behind Anderson &
Ilgauskas, what does everyone think of the following move:
>
>
>To Cleveland: Billups, Minor, Declercq, Thomas
>
>
>To Boston: Knight, Sura, Potapenko
>
>
>Billups & Knight stat comparisons:
>
> Gm Pts Asts Stls FG%
>
>Billups 12 9.8 50 21 37%
>Knight 11 8.6 85 34 40%
>
>
>Potapenko avg. 6 rebounds in 18 minutes a game.
>
>
>See http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/basketball/nba/stats.htm for some great
team stat. info.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 20:51:56 -0800
>From: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: Brevin Knight
>
>Its games like this that make you have to take a look at Billups, and =
>wonder if we selected the wrong person at #3. With Knight having games =
>like this I guess he won't be going anywhere. This game was after the =
>stats posted earlier.
>
>
>
>CLEVELAND -- Rookie Brevin Knight had an NBA season-high 20 assists, =
>Wesley Person scored 31 points and Shawn Kemp added 24 as the Cleveland =
>Cavaliers beat the Washington Wizards 110-101 Saturday night.=20
>Knight, who had 13 points, finished five short of the NBA rookie assist =
>record set by Ernie DiGregorio in 1974 and matched by Nate McMillan in =
>1987. Knight won a tremendous duel of point guards against Rod =
>Strickland, who had 27 points and 17 assists.=20
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:07:50 -0800
>From: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: Numbers
>
>Has anyone noticed that Donyell Marshall is putting up as good as =
>scoring, & better rebounding numbers than Joe Smith this year ?
>
>
>Anyone think the twin tower system is not going to work for San Antonio =
>and with Robinson getting up there in years, that we still could put =
>together a package for Duncan ? I am sure it could take giving up =
>Billups and possibly a Mercer would it worth it ? =20
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:32:47 -0500
>From: Vinny Natale <vnatale@map.com>
>Subject: Re: Larry vs. Antoine
>
>It is not irrelevant at all! Did you consider Dino a rookie at the age of
>26 or 27 just because it was when he first started playing for the NBA?
>
>I consider age to be the most important factor here and I will judge
>Antoine against Larry in two years!
>
>Vinny
>
>
>
>At 11:09 PM 11/22/97 -0600, sfarrell@dixie-net.com wrote:
>>Vinny Natale wrote:
>>>
>>> I was just thinking that it is not so ridiculous to be comparing Antoine
>>> with Larry. Antoine would currently be a senior in college, correct?
>>>
>>> Larry Bird played the full four years plus had taken a year off from
>>> school. So it will not be until two more years that Antoine is at the
same
>>> age that Larry Bird was for his rookie year. I do not think it at all
far
>>> fetched to imagine him being a better player at that point than Larry
was
>>> his rookie year!
>>>
>>> Vinny
>>>
>>> vnatale@map.com
>>Bird got rookie of the year, 3 MVP's, many all-star appearances, 2 3 pt.
>>shootouts, and 3 rings......
>>
>>When Antoine entered the draft is irrelevant to the argument (it was his
>>choice to enter early).......Bird was better as a rookie......We'll have
>>to wait and see how many rings 'Toine brings to Boston to see who's
>>better.......
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:34:19 -0700
>From: Warwick Janetzki <giants@icplus.net.au>
>Subject: Mashburn or PJ Brown are on the market and other views
>
>When Alonzo Mourning comes back from his injury, I can see either Jamal
>Mashburn or PJ Brown being open for trade.
>
>The reason behind this opinion is that Issac Austin IMHO should and will
>be played as a twin towers with Alonzo at power forward. This would
>either push PJ to 3 or out of the lineup and he is being paid too much
>to be played off the bench. So that shows that either he or Mashburn
>will be traded.
>
>Would the Boston Celtics be interested in obtaining PJ Brown? He can
>board well, he is a semi-presence but would suit Pitino's system as he
>is quite athletic.
>
>On the negative side of obtaining PJ would be his contract. I am fairly
>certain that he has 6 years left of a 7 year guaranteed contract, and I
>am not totally sure that there is an opt-out clause in it.
>
>I'd say no, but I am interested in hearing what you guys have to say on
>the idea.
>
>As for that idea for the Brevin Knight trade, I'll stick with Chauncey.
>I love Chauncey and truly believe it is only a matter of time until he
>settles down and starts beating quality point guards around the league.
>
>Bobby Sura isn't that good a player and he has that big contract now
>too. We could find his quality of a player somewhere else and anyhow he
>wouldn't get much time behind Ron Mercer and Dee Brown.
>
>I have been really suprised with Dee this season, although I was one of
>the ones who was in the group pre-season that said that we would see a
>new Dee. So far he has surpassed my expectations, also Pervis too.
>
>The C's look like they're in good shape, .500 is definitely a step in
>the right direction, but dont expect us to stay at .500 for the rest of
>the season. If we do, then Rick and the guys have performed a miracle
>imho.
>
>Warwick
>- --
>MZ
>
>------------------------------
>
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>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:53:03 -0800
>From: Dan Butts <db232@bangornews.infi.net>
>Subject: Re: All time Celtic PS team
>
>Karen J Davies wrote:
>>
>> OK, I have put together a team of all time Celtic players to through up
>> agianst my mates all time Lakers in a Playstation 7 game playoff series.
>> I'd like to see what you guys think. It is a 12 man squad with one
player
>> needing to be current
>>
>> PG Cousy DJ
>> SG Havlicek Jones Ainge
>> SF Bird Walker
>> PF McHale Cowens
>> C Russell Parish Walton
>>
>> COmments? This time, a bottle of scotch is on the line....
>>
>> JD
>I'd try to work Jo Jo White in there somewhere.
>
>Dan Butts
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:05:55 +1000
>From: jumpshot@iniaccess.net.au (Karen J Davies)
>Subject: Re: All time Celtic PS team
>
>>> PG Cousy DJ
>>> SG Havlicek Jones Ainge
>>> SF Bird Walker
>>> PF McHale Cowens
>>> C Russell Parish Walton
>>>
>>> COmments? This time, a bottle of scotch is on the line....
>>>
>>> JD
>>I would think that Sam Jones, Reggie Lewis, and Tommy Heinsohn would
>>have to fit in somewhere. Looks like a solid team, eh?
>
>Sam is in there, and Reggie's ommision was a big decision...
>
>>is walker a justified selection after 2 years
>
>Like I said, at least one player had to be current...
>
>JD
>
>------------------------------
>
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